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[brock 11]

went out last night for a shine with my mate and his 16 month old beddy,whippet,greyhond cross,only the second time she had bin out on the lamp,as soon as she put the first turn in bark,bark,my mate was devastated,the bitch is 22" and absolutely lightning fast,he had put a lot of time in to her which makes it even worse for him,i think she would make a good rabbiting day dog tho.

does anybody run dogs that open up,personally i would never own another one,my very first lurcher did it,but i was only 12 and just started learning the game,although he was game as f**ck and would take aything,its just a no no for us now cos we poach all the time.

[runsatnite 7]

someone i know has a dog that opens on the first one of the night then settles down just seems so excited to be out but its out at least twice a week

[Guest Doug]

Sure, don't write the dog off for one yapping session.

 

It's a young dog - was this the first run at night for a while? Was it an impossible rabbit?

 

Take the little guy ferreting and doing some daytime work - myxies everywhere now, just right for calming things down and getting the dog back up to scratch.

[Guest CharlieC]

dogs usually yap due to over excitement, inexperience and inability to see or catch their quarry.

Once a yapper always a yapper is not always true. A dog that starts off with a yap here and there, but later learns to catch well, can stop yapping alltogether, I have a bitch here who yapped a couple of times as a youngster (mostly on hares) Im glad I stuck with her and didnt let it bother me as she hasnt uttered a yap in years and her catch rate is very high.

You have to decide how much yapping bothers you, personally Id rather have a dog that yaps once in a blue moon and catches a lot, than one that doesnt yap but isnt a great catch dog.

sometimes small lurchers have trouble seeing their quarry in long grass,cover etc and can yap as the rabbit or hare looks to be going out of sight. A dog that gets in the habit of doing this will probably do it all its days, but if the dog is only doing it now and then, it may cease with time, experience and some easy runs

[Guest CharlieC]

"its just a no no for us now cos we poach all the time."

 

a high powered light shining around the fields will attract much more attention and alert others over greater distances than a yapping dog.

 

sorry I messed up with the quote thing there

[Guest LEARNER]

SOME DOGS ARE BORN YAPPERS, SOME WILL YAP WHEN THE GOING GETS HARD , SOME WILL YAP NOW AND THEN AND SOME LIKE CHARLIE C, AS MENTIONED WILL YAP OR SHOULD I SAY ,GIVE A ODD YIP, THEN SETTLE DOWN, ITS THE BORN YAPPERS WE ALL DREAD, BROCK WHAT WAS THIS LURCHER DOING PRIOR FOR THE LAST 16MONTHS ,BEFORE IT YAPPED.

[Stabs 3]

What are the instances of the beddy crosses yapping? Of the few I've seen run all of them have opened up to some extent. Is this a common thing with this cross? or have I just been unfortunate to see only yappers?

[Guest CharlieC]

Ive seen pure 3 beddy crosses work, 2 were first cross beddy greyhound and one was a beddy whippet. None of them yapped but the whippet cross was too small to get to rabbits a lot of the time and missed a lot. You can get yappers from parents that dont yap, and any size or breed of dog can do it. Ive seen a big 27-28" deerhound cross do it, so any dog can fall foul. I think some dogs just have the ability born within them and whether or not they show it and to what degree is down to how they enter and how easy it is for them to make their first few catches as well as how well they progress from there.

You can get dogs that will never utter a yap no matter how hard you push them or what you do with them, my first lurcher Charlie was like that, she never made a squeak even though she was not the fastest of dogs and lacked a gear for hares, Casper is the same, he has never made a sound in all the years I have worked him. Ive had other dogs that have yipped from time to time though. A lurcher I had years ago called Tess, a Hancock collie greyhound would open up when she was chasing hares, allthough she was silent on rabbits. I think it was because she lacked that extra gear to get to the hare and something made her yap from frustration.

Theres no single cause for it either, its not always down to just working them too much too soon, or from working them too hard, although these can be contributing factors. Me and my mate Paul started our pups at around the same time, his was a beardie greyhound, mine was Casper, a border collie cross. They were both out from a young age, marking holes, covering nets and chasing the occaisional bunny. Pauls dog gave a wee yap from time to time in cover, wooded areas etc, Mine never uttered a sound. Its down to each individual dog and I think I mentioned this before, sometimes when your watching a litter of pups playing you can get a glimpse of this as the pups chase each other, the ones that yap when theyre losing the chase, can be more prone to doing it in adulthood. Thats just my little theory anyway

[macker 5]

Ive seen pure 3 beddy crosses work, 2 were first cross beddy greyhound and one was a beddy whippet. None of them yapped but the whippet cross was too small to get to rabbits a lot of the time and missed a lot. You can get yappers from parents that dont yap, and any size or breed of dog can do it. Ive seen a big 27-28" deerhound cross do it, so any dog can fall foul. I think some dogs just have the ability born within them and whether or not they show it and to what degree is down to how they enter and how easy it is for them to make their first few catches as well as how well they progress from there.

You can get dogs that will never utter a yap no matter how hard you push them or what you do with them, my first lurcher Charlie was like that, she never made a squeak even though she was not the fastest of dogs and lacked a gear for hares, Casper is the same, he has never made a sound in all the years I have worked him. Ive had other dogs that have yipped from time to time though. A lurcher I had years ago called Tess, a Hancock collie greyhound would open up when she was chasing hares, allthough she was silent on rabbits. I think it was because she lacked that extra gear to get to the hare and something made her yap from frustration.

Theres no single cause for it either, its not always down to just working them too much too soon, or from working them too hard, although these can be contributing factors. Me and my mate Paul started our pups at around the same time, his was a beardie greyhound, mine was Casper, a border collie cross. They were both out from a young age, marking holes, covering nets and chasing the occaisional bunny. Pauls dog gave a wee yap from time to time in cover, wooded areas etc, Mine never uttered a sound. Its down to each individual dog and I think I mentioned this before, sometimes when your watching a litter of pups playing you can get a glimpse of this as the pups chase each other, the ones that yap when theyre losing the chase, can be more prone to doing it in adulthood. Thats just my little theory anyway 

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had a couple of yapers my self .all except one stopped.

to be honest it does not bother me to much as long as it stops.

these type usually try their the best.

i just take them out more.

thats a good point about you pups chasing each other.

the only dog that never stopped doing it did as a pup,

always had a feeling that she was going to open up when on rabbits.

it could be worse for your friend .

as it sounds like the dog is trying.

just it can be frustrating for friends with him as some times the rabbits in the

field can head home when they hear the dogs .

best of luck with that dog.

and just try hunt it out of him

[brock 11]

charlie c i wasnt on about the barking making enough noise for somebody to hear,but making the quarry in the next field on edge before even getting into it,especially the already nervous species.

prior to the dogs second night lamping my mate was letting her mature because when he took her out at 12 months for the first time she was yapping and wouldnt pick up the rabbits,she is a real puppy-ish bitch.

problem is it wasnt a yipping it was proper full barking like mad,like you said about your dog opening up as a pup,my coursing bitch did it aswell once,but didnt make a sound on anything after that,the same goes for my mates bull x,and he does ALL quarry silently now.

i hope she does stop for my mates sake,i'll let you know how she gets on

[Guest Doug]

My beddy cross was very noisy as a pup but has never made a sound working.